The interviews with Tineke Wibaut (1922-1996, daughter-in-law of the well-known Amsterdam alderman Wibaut) and Ms Wijnalda focus on their experiences in the resistance movement during World War II and their subsequent internment in camp Vught and then in the Ravensbrück women’s concentration camp. They talk about the work they did for Philips in Vught and for the German electronics company Telefunken in Ravensbrück.

Interviewee(s): Mrs. V.E. Wibaut-Guilonard (4x), Mrs. Wijnalda (3x)

Subject: Second World War, resistance, camp Vught, Ravensbrück women’s concentration camp

Dr. E.J.W. Verwey, curator of the RUU, took the initiative to research the Philips commando in the Vught concentration camp after a reunion of people who had been involved. 
Verwey himself had also been in the camp. Via Prof. von der Dunk, student W. Velema was found willing to carry out the research and write a doctoral thesis on the subject.
Braakman, Laman Trip, Peeters and De Wit were interviewed together. At the time, they were involved in the leadership of the Command and thus had to deal with the daily practice of ‘Vught’. A more general discussion is also held with Philips and Rathenau about the Philips group in the period 1940-45. F. Philips, at the time of the interview president of the Board of Directors of NV Philips, was director of the Philips factories in Eindhoven. Rathenau was involved with the Jewish (SOBU) workshop of Philips, among other things. At the time of the interview, he was Professor of Mathematics and Physics at the Municipal University of Amsterdam.

Although prisoners were deported from Vught concentration camp to Sachsenhausen concentration camp throughout the occupation period, the trains that left on 5 and 6 September 1944 are the most notorious. About three thousand men were deported, only half of them returned.

In 2008, interviews were held with a number of survivors of these transports about their wartime experiences. The interviewees discuss the differences between the Dutch and the German concentration camps, the forced labour they were forced to perform, their survival strategies and the consequences of the camp past for their lives after the war.

The interviews with the camp survivors are part of a project set up by the municipality of Vught, the Vughts Historical Museum and Camp Vught National Monument. As part of this project, the documentary “Return ticket Sachsenhausen” was made, in which former prisoner Jan van den Ende (interview 04) makes the journey by train again, accompanied by schoolgirl Danni Reches, who asks him questions about his imprisonment.

In September 1944, the SS concentration camp in Vught was evacuated. After the arrival of the Allies, the site was almost immediately given a new purpose. The Allied army took over parts of the complex and moreover, thousands of Dutch people suspected of collaboration with the German occupier were interned in the camp. What is less well known is that these internees were soon joined by thousands of evacuated German civilians.

As part of this interview project, nine interviews were conducted with German citizens who had been forcibly interned at the former Vught concentration camp between November 1944 and May 1945. Their experiences shed light on a still unknown aspect of the camp’s post-war history. In particular, the interviews reveal much about the treatment of the prisoners by Canadian troops. The relationship between the Dutch collaborators and the interned German civilians is also discussed. How did the German civilian prisoners experience being locked up in one camp with the Dutch collaborators? How did contact between the two groups develop? The statements by the German civilians also show how, immediately after the war in the Netherlands, concepts such as ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ were dealt with.

The German civilians in Vught came from the Selfkantgebiet east of Sittard. In September 1944, this area was frontline territory and the approximately 6,000 residents had to be transferred to camp Vught two months later by order of the British army command. Those who stayed behind and were discovered would be shot. The German civilians were taken to Vught, where thousands of Dutch collaborators were also interned and where Canadian troops were also stationed.

During the Second World War, Camp Vught was the only SS concentration camp west of the German border. From the first work to build the camp, in mid-1942, to its evacuation in September 1944, various groups of workers were involved. In addition, from one moment to the next, local residents were confronted with an instrument of persecution and terror. Many were moved by the fate of the prisoners, tried to help, but eventually ended up behind the barbed wire themselves. The stories of those who lived in the vicinity have made their way into history only to a very limited extent. Nor has sufficient attention been paid to the ‘voluntary’ work of the civilian labourers.

As part of this oral history project, eight testimonies of Dutch civilian workers and local residents have been recorded. Paying attention to these almost forgotten groups also means an interesting insight into the behaviour and dilemmas they faced, the choices they made and their consequences. These groups of ‘bystanders’ are given a sharper profile through the interviews.

In 1942, work started on the construction of Konzentrationslager Herzogenbusch, as Camp Vught was officially called. When the first starving and exhausted prisoners arrived from Amersfoort in January 1943, Vught was not yet ready. The prisoners had to finish the camp themselves. The miserable conditions cost the lives of several hundred people in the first few months. Between January 1943 and September 1944, a total of more than 31,000 people were locked up in the camp for short or long periods of time. Besides 12,000 Jews, Vught also held political prisoners, resistance fighters, Jehovah’s Witnesses, students, black marketeers and illegal slaughterers, criminals and hostages. Of these, more than 750 children, women and men died in the camp due to hunger, disease and mistreatment.

One of the most tragic events in the history of World War II in the Netherlands. On 6 and 7 June 1943, two trains with Jewish children left camp Vught. All children under 16 had to leave, their mothers were allowed to go with them. They were told they would be going to a special children’s camp nearby. But the trains went to the Westerbork transit camp. And then to Sobibor in Poland. The almost 1,300 Jewish children were killed here almost immediately upon arrival.